Interface 8:: THE INFINITE MYSTERY PARADOX.

He says look, this whole thing that I’m doing here is really about ignorance and knowing.  After some great turnarounds you think you got it.  But another turnaround is: you’re not going to figure this out. It’s a paradox. It’s a mystery. It’s inexpressible double standpoint. He said, use this to scrape your mind clear of any thought that it’s going to figure it out. So if we really got the Golden Lion, we would just stop all our trying to figure it out, or we do what my teacher Anthony said. “The greatest joy that a human being can have is try to fathom the Unfathomable. When he finally gives up, he gets it. But we better try real hard at the beginning.”

So Fatsang finally says, well, guess what, empress? All this you thought you were gonna get something out of this. But what I’m trying to say is that it is a mystery… so that you can be totally open to the gold and the Lion.

Judy: Is it correct to think that another word for measure is ratio? And is that relative to reasoning? Is that does that align with the kind of intellectual orientation that wants to figure it out?

A: That’s beautiful. Thank you. Another name for the relation of the good and appearance is  not co-measurable. They’re really incommensurable. You can’t get there from here. It seems like the lion form is infinite and the Good is simple, but deep down the Good is truly infinite. And the lion is two dimensional. So he is going to point out a three step, which they all do, including the Vedanta three-step:

Step 1: So when we try to get from a thought down to heart, first is to hear about it,

Step 2 is:  reason about it. or look deeply at experience.     

Step 3: contemplate… : stop measuring and allow the intuition to come into us. the Real and its relation to Appearance is un-figureout-able…   we can try to figure out of all the lion and forms are all figuring out, oh, there’s lots of them. And they do express the gold, but they can’t ever really get it completely.

We do need to go beyond reason. And by the way, I’ve said this to some people before, but as a mathematician and scientist, I can tell you the deepest, thing reason.. ever came to. Same with Madhyamika Buddhism’s Nagarjuna in the 1st century. Same thing. And that was, reason’s deepest reasoning, was its ability to prove to itself its own inability to get to reality. We think the deepest thing reason. can do is bring us to the real. No. , the deepest thing reason.can do actually is to convince itself of its inability to get beyond itself. My example is Heisenberg. Remember, everybody thought. Now we’re going to figure it out. We’re gonna get this universe. We’re going to figure it to the bottom. And Heisenberg proves with reason the inability to even figure out the position and velocity of the simplest particle. Around the same time, 1928 or so, Godel shows the inability of the simple arithmetic. One, two, three, four to ever be a complete system of mathematical thought.

Nagarjuna in the first century shows you through reason the inability of any system of thought which could say the simplest is, is not, both, neither was inherently contradictory, and unable to get to reality. So sooner or later, Judy, we need step three: contemplation.

This is one of his beautiful views of the gold and the lion, because up until that, number eight or so, we were all thinking, yeah, got it now. And it’s this and I got it. And it’s two handed.  And then Fatsang tells you no. And if you could think about this deeply enough, you might drop down out of the universe and go into your heart, go into the space where you could really appreciate it.

my friend asked me this question. What’s the good? What’s the Good for you Avery?? Fill in the blank. And live your life. Well, what is this called? What is this ever present? Well, we don’t recognize it.